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Cuatro demandas británicas

VoxEurop
12 octubre 2015

El gabinete de David Cameron ha listado cuatro demandas clave que la UE debe satisfacer para mantener a Gran Bretaña en la Unión.

Tim Ross reporta en el Daily Telegraph:

Gran Bretaña debe estar formalmente exenta del principio de una "unión cada vez más cercana".
Debe oficializarse que Europa es una unión "multi-monetaria" y que el euro no es su moneda oficial.
Para repatriar poderes, grupos de parlamentos nacionales deben ser capaces de parar directivas propuestas y abolir leyes de la UE existentes.
La UE debe ser reorganizada para evitar que los países de la eurozona dominen a los otros. Deben darse protecciones particulares a la City de Londres.

Diplomáticos británicos han sido enviados para ganar apoyo en Europa para un nuevo acuerdo basado en las cuatro demandas en vistas al referéndum sobre la permanencia en la UE que deberá tener lugar antes del fin de 2017.

Una nueva campaña intentará el lunes persuadir a los votantes para escoger que Gran Bretaña se quede en la UE. El gabinete cree que las campaña puede tener éxito si se cumplen las cuatro condiciones.

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Kuba3737895 11.10.2015 | 19:36 Link Recomendado

These proposals are very reasonable. Poland, Sweden, Denmark, Czech Republic, Hungary should go in this direction as well, as neither of these countries is willing to adopt euro in the coming 10 or 20 years, in fact, never.

However, I do not think it is possible for Britain or rather England to say in EU, since English society is under massive propaganda, coming from people like Farage, who want to defend the liberal democracy and capitalism, instead of changing it, into something different. Problem lies not in Britain, but in England, the same as crucial problem of EU is its domination by Franco-German motor, eurozone and domination of left-wing ideologies under reasonable balance between liberal and conservative forces in Europe (anti-Hungarian propaganda is the best example).

England, through leaving EU will not stop this Franco-German-Brussels madness. On the contrary, without England, EU will become even more dominated by Berlin and Paris.

This will trigger other countries, especially from Eastern Europe to leave.
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preda44281056 11.10.2015 | 21:51 Link Recomendado

"The EU must be reorganised to prevent eurozone countries from dominating the others. Particular protections must be given to the City of London."

Agree with the first, very much. But there is no reason to protext particularly the city of London which is of no benefit whatsoever to EU and humanity, just an overdimensioned gambling house! If they wish this, there should be tough negotiations for them to take the lead in measure against gambling in stock exchanges – will they then like to be protected under this premise?
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sylvesterthecat317183 12.10.2015 | 03:50 Link Recomendado

I would make two points about the so-called Cameron negotiation.

1) The list is far too feeble. Most points have been conceded anyway meaning that Cameron has only asked for changes he can get. Note there is nothing about the Migrant issue. That won't do!

2) Junker has already stated that agreements without treaty change are worthless; There will be no treaty change. An attempt to hoodwink the British People is under way.

With luck this may be the parting of the ways and we will thank God, eventually get our freedom and democracy back.
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Kuba3737895 12.10.2015 | 09:53 Link Recomendado

But there is no reason to protext particularly the city of London which is of no benefit whatsoever to EU and humanity, just an overdimensioned gambling house! If they wish this, there should be tough negotiations for them to take the lead in measure against gambling in stock exchanges – will they then like to be protected under this premise?

Cameron is a member of Bilderberg Group. He will do everything possible not to harm interests of the true masters of England from City of London. That's why, I consider Brexit political science-fiction, despite all of articles coming from both camps. Economy is more important for British citizens and they are ready to adapt. Scotland issue, as Cameron personally said is more important that EU membership, but he is absolutely sure, Brexit will trigger Scottish independence.

However, people in England live in some kind of political circus and I will not be surprised, if they vote for leave in the referendum, no matter what Cameron, Colbryn, Farage and others, back.

England is the model example of liberal democracy(next to Sweden, Netherlands) in Europe, hence people living there are the most brainwashed by this system. They are unable to think in truly independent way.
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Kuba3737895 12.10.2015 | 09:56 Link Recomendado

With luck this may be the parting of the ways and we will thank God, eventually get our freedom and democracy back.

What kind of "freedom and democracy" you have in mind? The one from late 18th and early 19th Century, where there was balance between liberal and conservative forces and society was on early state of capitalism? Because since then, I cannot call Britain a "free and democratic" country. Democracy especially liberal one, became democratism or democratship, a dictatorship, where pseudo-elites are ruling the rest of society, turned into slaves.

You don't speak about Scotland which will leave after Brexit. If you want Scottish independence, I support you, I go in the same direction. Scottish people want freedom and Cameron have lied to them, Brexit will only help Scots in achieving their true, national freedom.

EU immigration gave only benefits to England, vast majority of East Europeans are hardwoking people.

But I forgot that both, Mr Cameron and Mr Farage are slaves of City and slaves of liberal democratic forces.
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Kuba3737895 12.10.2015 | 12:58 Link Recomendado

I must add personally, that it is French referendum, proposed by Marine Le Pen which is the most important issue for EU "elites" and naturally for Europe (not "EUrope").

If Britain/England leaves, nothing happens, the same as with Polish, Swedish, Czech or even Austrian, Greek case. Germany will not leave EU, ever, since it is contradictory with their constitution. And EU is based on Germany and France. And there is a chance for France to leave, at least eurozone, but in reality, EU. If Le Pen wins, referendum will be prepared, if majority of French vote for Frexit, whole current EU scheme will collapse. At last.

That's why we should focus on Front National popularity, I hope it will rise, thanks to current, tragic policies of socialist government, especially in economy.

French are keen on Brexit, but rather because it will bring political dissolution of UK. Scotland has always been protected by France, until 18th Century.

That's why I personally, support Brexit/Scotland's independence, but Frexit is far more important.
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Canarlito34 12.10.2015 | 20:20 Link Recomendado

C'est un peu tôt pour un premier avril, non ? Ou alors les anglais veulent également que l'Union Européenne fonctionne avec plusieurs calendriers...
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sylvesterthecat317183 12.10.2015 | 22:40 Link Recomendado

What kind of "freedom and democracy" you have in mind?

Freedom is the ability for a state to make it's own laws, and not it's leave lawmaking and control of ones country to foreigners.

As far as democracy is concerned, let us have no illusions as to what it is and does. Not often do people get the government they want, it always seems to be a compromise or a fudge between various factions. No, democracy is NOT about getting the government people want, exactly the opposite. True democracy is simple and it's first principle is that when the majority of an electorate votes against an existing government, that government is no longer in office. 'It's called 'throwing out your government'. There are different ways of doing this. Most European states have a way, even the much hated Yanks and the loathsome British have a way.

On the other hand, dictatorships do not allow votes except under the most stringent and controlled conditions, and DEFINITELY NOT votes to throw out the governing party, that's them!. The USSR didn't, the EUSSR doesn't and I doubt Nazi Germany or the Italian fascist did either.

Without the ability to dismiss your government, you do not live in a democracy.
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aditec86601414 13.10.2015 | 01:06 Link Recomendado

Das europäische Projekt einer immer enger werdenden Union ist an seine Grenzen gestoßen. Die Rhetorik der Berufseuropäer macht auf die europäischen Völker keinen Eindruck mehr. Die europäischen Völker sind nicht reif für einen übernationalen europäischen Bundesstaat. Sie sind nach wie vor an ihren Nationalstaat fixiert. Die EU wird lediglich als ein Club verstanden, von dem man ausschließlich Vorteile erwartet. Von einer solidarischen Schicksalsgemeinschaft ist die EU Lichtjahre entfernt. Die aktuelle Flüchtlingskrise offenbart den gnadenlosen Egoismus der europäischen Staaten. Die EU hat für die meisten Europäer an Sinnhaftigkeit und Attraktivität verloren. Sie ist ein seelenloser Laden. Sie ähnelt dem verfluchten´Geisterschiff im "Fliegenden Holländer", das ziellos den Ozean durchquert und auf seine Erlösung wartet.

Ein Brexit würde eine Zäsur für die EU bedeuten. Zum ersten Mal würde sich die EU verkleinern. Andere Staaten wären versucht, es den Briten gleichzutun. Ich würde eine Auflösung der EU nicht bedauern. Für Deutschland wäre es jedenfalls kein Nachteil. Es würde sich der europäischen Fesseln entledigen und seine Finanzmittel für eigene Zwecke einsetzen, statt damit andere schwächelnde Nationen zu alimentieren. Deutschland wäre dann frei, sich mit ausgewählten Staaten zu einem neuen, effektiven Bund zusammenzuschließen. Es wäre davon befreit, seine Energien und Ressourcen für ewig schwächelnde Staaten zu vergeuden.
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BigStone150117 13.10.2015 | 11:20 Link Recomendado

What happens if every EU country starts to ask privileges and special protections?
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Muddy Retriever1261406 13.10.2015 | 14:02 Link Recomendado

With luck this may be the parting of the ways and we will thank God, eventually get our freedom and democracy back.

I'm a waverer at the moment. I'm yet to be convinced by either side as to whether we would be better in or out.

Although the "In" campaign has been pretty lacklustre so far, I thing there are problems for those running the "Leave" campaign. There are two rival groups for a start, which may prove fatal, I can imagine them squabbling among themselves. The "leave" campaign will be more successful if they can prevent Nigel Farage from hogging the limelight. Although he clearly appeals to some people, he is very divisive and off putting for other potential "leave" voters.
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aditec86601414 13.10.2015 | 17:46 corregido 17:58 Link Recomendado

I'm a waverer at the moment.

Hi Muddy! Offensichtlich hat kein Staat eine europäische Überzeugung. Alle handeln wie Krämer, die auf das Saldo der Vor- und Nachteile schielen. Alle fordern zwar im Bedarfsfalle europäische Solidarität, sind aber selbst nicht bereit einen solidarischen Beitrag zu leiten. Die EU steckt in einer tiefen Depression. Eine EU, der aber die europäische Seele fehlt, stirbt allmählich ab. Vielleicht hilft eine Seelentherapie à la Tote Hosen? ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W9FcjkkP8E

Als Alternative droht die Ausstieg eines EU-Mitgliedes nach dem anderen. So wie die "10 kleinen Jägermeister", deren Anzahl sich allmählich verringert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKXUNRrYQd0

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